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PostSubject: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 13:51

Since HBP came out last summer, I have noticed an increased amount of anti-Ginny feeling in the fandom, and am curious to know why.

I think she is a great character - spunky, clever, Harry's perfect woman , so why do so many people hate her so much?

What are your thoughts on this? Do you like Ginny, and if not, why?

This anti-Ginnyness in fandom really confuses me :shock:
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 14:45

Maybe that's why they hate her, because she's all 'hey i'm perfect'? personally, I've had a hard time liking her at all. she was cute in the books, and all 'sympatique', but I don't know, when people try to write more about her in fan fiction, she just gets all mary sue-ish. Everything about her is perfect, really. Everything is cute about Ginny. I want characters with flaws, that way you can symphatize more with them. Even the flaws on Ginny are charming.


And that makes her uninteresting :albino:
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 14:55

Hmmm....so do you think the anti-Ginny feeling stems from fanfictions?

I don't think she is Mary-Sue like at all...
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 15:26

Mine comes from the fanfictions, anyway Oh well, mary sue was a big word. Just, too perfect, I think. The fact that she can be perfect without being a mary sure, too.

Oh well, I'll get back to you when I'm not so tired :shock: Maybe i'll be able to explain it better then! xD
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 16:48

like Ginny's character - but even from the books she comes off as "the youngest weasley" there doesn't seem to be much centered around her - except for the 2nd book....she was the one in trouble and Harry saved her....I don't think there has been much development with her character and there could be more....when it comes to fanfiction there's a huge take on her character - it depends on where you go - so most of the feelings some feel towards Ginny are based off the fanfiction....Harry and Ginny are cute but I don't see them lasting - mostly because she almost is just there to serve that purpose - not sure where i'm going with this but it will come to me...hehe
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Feb 27 2006, 17:28

I love Ginny, she's a great character and all Duckie said. I think she's going to be a amazing woman. But I think that's the thing that's decreasing her popularity. She is becoming a woman. Most people don't like a change, some prefer that things remain the same, but Ginny changed. She was the sweet little shy kid, with her cute love for Harry. But all of sudden, she became the clever and brilliant Ginny who speaks her mind and stand for herself. I think that JK Rowling improved her, but I'm afraid it's not everybody who share that opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 01 2006, 06:39

i like ginny... she's fun, cool, and perfect for harry...

stay cool
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 01 2006, 22:39

I just don't like her at all for some reason she seems a tad bit mary sueish
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Mar 02 2006, 12:29

I think Ginny is great.
All the other characters have flaws.
Ron is not sensitive, Hermione is a bit know-it-all, Harry has a saving people thing.
Ginny is different and she stands out.
I once heard in a film:
"People don't like things that are different"
I'm not saying that's true but maybe people don't like Ginny because she isn't unperfect. Maybe they're jealous.

Personally, I see Ginny as a cute, naive, girl who is irrevocabally in love with a troubled boy with commitment problems. I don't think Harry treated her right.

And anyway, she is still developing. We don't get that many reaction out of her when Harry dumps her.

Just wait and see!
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Mar 02 2006, 13:22

I like Ginny a lot!... I think she's great, she's not afraid to tell people what she thinks...

and I don't know... I like her... Who doesn't?
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Mar 02 2006, 13:23

My point, too!

She's a lovely girl! What's not to like?
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Mar 02 2006, 15:08

I think people started hating her after HBP cause I guess...the girls obsession with Harry or something and they hated Ginny for being with him XP? I dunno. Just my guess.


I THINK GINNY IS TEH COOLEST GIRL EVAR :D Cept for Mione :D Ginny is cool, who cannot like her? ><
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 03 2006, 09:16

Personally, I am appaled that anyone would hate Gin just becasue Harry loves her affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 03 2006, 10:40

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I love Ginny, she's a great character and all Duckie said. I think she's going to be a amazing woman. But I think that's the thing that's decreasing her popularity. She is becoming a woman. Most people don't like a change, some prefer that things remain the same, but Ginny changed. She was the sweet little shy kid, with her cute love for Harry. But all of sudden, she became the clever and brilliant Ginny who speaks her mind and stand for herself. I think that JK Rowling improved her, but I'm afraid it's not everybody who share that opinion
I don`t like Ginny alot, and I don`t like her for the reasons you said. Suddenly, she`s just grown up. But there are moments in the books when I do like her, and then she really makes me laugh!
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 03 2006, 11:43

She is getting developed more, but I still think we need to see more of her before her 'haters' make up their minds totally
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 03 2006, 20:50

I love Ginny! She's my fav character and I love writing fics about her life outside of hogwarts (check out Now Matured on HPFF, written my yours truly, under the name evrflavbeans). I don't understand how people could hate Ginny.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Mar 06 2006, 09:30

I like Ginny. She's not my favourite character, but I like her. She's a feisty girl, which makes her even cooler than she already is! AND she isn't too perfect. Well, in some places I sort of got tired of her, but I never disliekd her. She's... great. Not my favourite, no, but close. She comes after the Marauders, Weasley Twins and Dumbledore... ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Mar 07 2006, 15:22

i really dont' hate Ginny. That's really a string and besides i couldn't hate anybody anyway. But, I've never really liked Ginny...she was always a not too much into the story kind of character. Yet, we still acknowledged her as 'Ron's little sister'

I thought she was cute at first, really cheerful and sweet, but when the fifth book came out. I found her increasingly annoying, espeacially near the ending. And the 6th book came out and I just wanted to chuck it out my window. IDK it could just be me...but like the others said...she seems too perfect.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 08 2006, 23:25

I like Ginny because she's one of the few characters who doesn't have to worry completly about Voldemort, like Harry. She's fun and outgoing, which are always great qualities. Or so, I think so
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 15 2006, 02:16

I like this topic because I don't like Ginny that much. As I said in previous discussions about this. I think JKR characterized her poorly. She is not really a Mary Sue but she is definitely the nearest one to it.

I think a lot of people started disliking Ginny in HBP because she was suddenly there, if you know what I mean. She was introduced in the first book as someone who has a girly crush on Harry. Then she became somewhat important in CoS since Tom Riddle used her then where was she in PoA and GoF?! She made a comeback in OotP but that didn't quite make her stand out as much as JKR wanted to, I think, at least in my opinion. Then she is already there in HBP as someone who dates a lot of guys and who is already feisty and strong-willed when her character isn't really that much explored in the previous books. I think it is just too much too soon.

Then there is the poorly written romance between her and Harry. Honestly, I didn't see the pairing coming at all. I was very, very surprised when I read about the monster in Harry when he saw Ginny kissing Dean. I never picked up on the hints about them in the previous books. And I think it is kind of weird since I like romance and I can pick up on subtlety but H/G really didn't occur to me. I saw Remus/Tonks but not H/G.

I had to re-read some of the books to see some "clues" left hinting there relationship and the only one I found was something Ron said at the end of OotP when he said that she should find a better guy than Micheal Corner then he was eyeing Harry differently. That was it.

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 15 2006, 07:38

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Hehe that made me laugh. Somewhat important in CoS? She was vital to the plot of the book.

Also, I can't see how people didn't see H/G coming, if not from earlier books, at least from OotP. There are two key moments for this in the book, the chocolate in the library scene and the 'lucky you' scene at Grimmauld Place.

I agree, her character should have been developed more, and if you look at the plan of OotP recently revealed on JKR's website, you can see that JK had planned to give Cho and Ginny a subplot in OotP. If you haven't seen this plan (and you should, it's vair vair interesting!) you have to find the clues on JKR's site, but I found this typed up version:

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 15 2006, 07:54

I dont know whether i like ginny or not. She is one of those characters who I really dont think much about. Perhaps people started to become anti ginny after she got with harry - perhaps there are a lot of girls out there who fancy harry lol
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 15 2006, 09:56

I love Ginny, but i think she should have put up more of a fight in HBP. Even though she new why Harry was doing it, she could have fought more. I loved her in HBP. Her character was sooo funny. :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Mar 21 2006, 03:41

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I thought she was cute at first, really cheerful and sweet, but when the fifth book came out. I found her increasingly annoying, espeacially near the ending. And the 6th book came out and I just wanted to chuck it out my window. IDK it could just be me...but like the others said...she seems too perfect.

I agree with what Faith said (may she rest in peace ^^). She described my feelings exactly. I WANTED TO THROW THE BOOK OUT THE WINDOW!! ><; I'm not Anti-Ginny, however, I do think she is annoying.

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Mar 21 2006, 03:49

haha we won't pan-girl...

even though I don't agree, I think everyone has the right to have their own opinion...




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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Mar 21 2006, 09:31

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i really dont' hate Ginny. That's really a string and besides i couldn't hate anybody anyway. But, I've never really liked Ginny...she was always a not too much into the story kind of character. Yet, we still acknowledged her as 'Ron's little sister'

I thought she was cute at first, really cheerful and sweet, but when the fifth book came out. I found her increasingly annoying, espeacially near the ending. And the 6th book came out and I just wanted to chuck it out my window. IDK it could just be me...but like the others said...she seems too perfect.

I totally agree with Faith on this one. My feelings are exactley. (rest in peace, even tho i didn't kno u) but anyway...I just found her annoying especially in the fifth book. Then the 6th book came out and iwas like "how did she become so involved??' It's like Justloveron said above. I think the romance was poorly written, i found no hints except when the monster inside Harry strated to growl or whatever, which caught me by surprise.

It was like she was literally shoved into every page of the book when she wasn't even fully acknowledged as a main character yet. I just think JK could have done a little bit more with her character in book 6 as well as the other books.

So..yea, heh...i don't like Ginny. Don't hate me!! lol
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Mar 21 2006, 09:40

someone said she was too perfect.

She's not. She's perfect in her imperfection which makes her imperfect but still perfect at the same time as being imperfect.

Sorry if that confused you...i like doing that.

But even though she has perfect imperfections, she is still perfect for Harry.

They balance each other out and they are compatible...check out my arithmancy essay! They have the same number!
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 22 2006, 19:12

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"how did she become so involved??'

but that's the beauty of it! jk brought her right into Harry's life, suddenly everyone see why Ron had a little sister in the first place. (excepted in CoS she was needed there too lol) also if any of u call to remember, in the sixth book, harry turned to Ginny to ask her where she wanted to sit, but she was already skipping out towards her friends. she doesn't usually hang out with him and ron and mione. and also if u recall the whole entire seires is done from Harry's point of veiw. we get side views, but that's only like in the first chapter, of almost every book, then it's all Harry. oh ya GINNY IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gtg cya!
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 24 2006, 07:21

I don't like Ginny at all, but I don't hate her...

and it's not becuz her and Harry got together in the 6th book, i started not to like her character in book 5. Besides its Draco all the way!!! lmao! ahem...anyways, most of my reasons are above on what OC and JustloveRon said.

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Mar 24 2006, 09:13

I am not Anti-Ginny. I dont like her at times but she is pretty cool!!! :D :D
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Sun Mar 26 2006, 18:46

now I do wanna kill ya'll...........but I wont...I am oh so to innocent for that haha....ok ok..but really...reaidng this makes me mad...but I still have to read it..I just cant not..lol but I still luv ya'll...lol its all good!..I didnt really like ginny untill probably when I joined HPFF chat...so two months ago?
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 29 2006, 03:28

My opinion on Ginny is well I just don't like her with Harry. I think she would be better with Neville or Blaise. I think she's developing and I don't hate the girl but I just can''t get into her character that well. Anyway, that's my take on her.

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Mar 29 2006, 13:32

Welll Ducky... depends on what mood im in... I dont really like Gin that much cause welll she seems to me to be too fullll of herself.....I dont know maybe its just the fact that its almost like shes trying to take Hermiones place.... and HERMIONE IS MY FAV CHAR!
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:10

i agree i think ginny and harry are so made to be together

how could you hate ginny?
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PostSubject: Ginny EWWW   Wed Apr 05 2006, 12:21

I cant stand her never was able to sorry to all who like her but ERR she reminds me of the mean snobs at my school she is to bloody perfect, too perfect ok i am tring to be nice here from one book to anther she became more important than hermione, became this great qudditch player, got the guy, and was populer she became miss perfect all in one summer and pushed hermione out of the way oh yes and not to add i am a big H/Hr shipper I also belive in D/G.

(this is Amber) I,d just like to say...... GO H/HR & GINNY SUCKS!! thanks thats all... :D

p.s. GINNY AND HARRY ARE NOT MADE FOR EACH OTHER ok i am cool now(<that was all traci)
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Apr 11 2006, 12:11

I dont realy like Ginny as there seems to be no flaws with her that drives me mad it really does.She has changed a lot which find hard to imagen also in the movies they dont put ginny in so she doesent really seem a part of harrys life but she is a big part.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Jun 12 2006, 18:54

I like Ginny but NOT with Harry. It's so weird. And she is a little on the "slutty' side. I mean yeah Hermione told her to beherself but come on! That was a little much
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Jun 12 2006, 18:57

I like Ginny and I think she deserves to be with Harry. True, she...got around a bit, but emotionally she is Harry's perfect match.

It's just weird to see her going out with all the other boys because the Trio never dated for various reasons: Harry (off fighting Voldy), Ron (likes Hermione didnt want to date anyone else) Hermione (same with Ron)
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Jun 12 2006, 19:04

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True, she...got around a bit

I'd like to disagree here

Just because Ginny went out with two boys before Harry, this makes her some kind of man-eater?

I'm sure there are plenty of fifteen-year-olds in the world who've had many more boyfriends than that.

And, her relationship with Micheal Corner lasted for about a year and a half, and she was with Dean for about seven or eight months. In my opinion, this does not mean she "got around a bit" lol.

This is one of the things that really annoys me - when Ginny-haters make her out to be some sort of Scarlet Woman (to use Ron's turn of phrase), when all she's had is two long-termish relationships.

*could go on for ages, but saves the rest for the debate*
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Mon Jun 12 2006, 19:08

I don't think of her as a man eater it's just that she was very openly affecionate with Dean in particular. And i don't hate her i ust think it's weird that she's with Harry. Otherwise i think she's a very talented witch
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Jun 21 2006, 09:28

what???? confused i personally like ginny, she's awesome!!! i love everything about her. I can't believe somebody would actually hate her, that's unbelieveable. And people saying she's a man eater; going out with 2 boys is not a man eater, going out with like 5 is a man eater not 2! that's crazy and i like her with harry, it's cute; i mean she's been wanting this for....what....5 years already and yea she's going to be happy, i think it's cute, they're perfect. lol :D but that's my opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Tue Jul 04 2006, 19:19

Well, I'm gald im the only one who's anti Ginny. It's like how Anisa said, she was around a bit. First Micheal, then Dean, then Harry...To me i just didn't seem right at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 06 2006, 14:49

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i think it's cute, they're perfect.
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But isn't that a bad thing? Shouldn't all characters and relationships have flaws? I have a hard time relating to characters who aren't very flawed. She doesn't balance out well. As a character, I don't mind Ginny, but she's a little too perfect. Characters need to have balance. She's an ideal, not a relatable, realistic character. Even her supposed flaws are helpful and wonderful.

She's smart, beautiful, great with men, awesome with magic (or that one hex anyway), talented at Quidditch, outgoing, popular, and puts everybody in their place. She does not over do things like Hermione and does not slap Harry upside the head when he breaks up with her, like any normal woman would. I also have to respectfully disagree that she "deserves" to be with Harry. Hermione has stuck by him through all these years. Doesn't that mean that she deserves to be with him? Doesn't Luna? Doesn't Ron? Okay... Maybe I was reaching a bit with that last one, but you get my point.

I don't think it is right at all to say "she's perfect" in the same breath as "she's not a Mary Sue" either. Don't those two kind of contradict each other?
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 06 2006, 14:55

I disagree with the statement that Ginny is perfect. She's not, she has flaws, like every other character. She has a short temper, she fights with her family etc, etc.

And her relationship with Harry isn't perfect either. And it's not fair to call her a Mary-Sue. She's not.

I am a staunch Ginny-defender. I think she's a great character, and I sometimes don't understand the mentality of so much hate being heaped upon a literary character undeservedly.

For someone like Snape, or Greyback I can understand - they're horrible characters (in my view at least), but there's no reason to pile the amount of hate I've seen across the fandom on Ginny, simply because her relationship with Harry goes against someone's shipping ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 06 2006, 15:20

Like I said she has flaws, but only when they help Harry. Where is her short temper when he is breaking up with her? Where is her short temper at other times when she is being completely understanding and all that? Fights with her family... I don't really see that. They tease her, sure, but I don't see her being black sheep Ginny who goes against their values and questions their moral code. I don't see them having loud shouting matches all the time.

I definitely don't hate Ginny. I LOVED her, especially in OotP, but even I can admit that she is not as balanced as she could be. Plenty of people don't like Ginny because her characterization is always changing in odd, completely random and fast ways. This is not normal types of progression; it is the sort of makeover thing you would see in a chick flick. As a friend of mine once said, if someone had written a fanfiction where Ginny was suddenly the most popular, beautiful witch in school who everyone loved and whose hair made Harry's chest monster purr before HBP, it would have been posted on GAFF. Not to insult H/G or anything (because I did ship it at one point so it would be insulting me), and I can completely understand why someone would choose to "ship canon." I didn't think it was done in a particularly subtle, sleek way. If it had been, I know plenty of Harmonians who would have been embracing H/G and welcoming Ginny into their Circle of Awesome.

This Ginny hatred, plenty of times, has less to do with shipping and more to do with a lack of absoluteness in characterization or her lack of real, actual, consistent flaws. One book she is one thing, the next she is another thing, and it is as if she becomes a different Ginny at the drop of a hat. Will she be WorriedGirlfriend!Ginny in the next book? Surely, she won't stay PopularEveryoneLoves!Ginny. Everyone but Zacharias anyway.

Bah. I missed this part:
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And her relationship with Harry isn't perfect either. And it's not fair to call her a Mary-Sue. She's not.
A Mary Sue is not a perfect character. A Mary Sue is a self-insert which more often than not turns out to be perfect. From what I have heard JKR say, it is apparent that she thinks very highly of Ginny. She has just a large amount of enthusiasm about this one character in particular, and as a writer, I find that odd. I do not speak of one character as being great or wonderful, even in comparison with another. This whole "seventh son of a seventh son" thing makes that more than obvious. The question is whether she is making Ginny into what she herself wishes she could be.

You have no definitive proof (as far as I can tell) that she is not doing that, and thus, it is hardly fair to say that Ginny is not a Mary Sue. I have no proof that she is. I was only saying that saying, "Well, Ginny is so perfect. She's great!" and then turning around to say, "But she's not a Mary Sue." is... just wrong. Nothing specific for anyone, but I thought I would point it out.

Harry and Ginny's relationship is almost always described as being perfect. I rarely hear another word get used.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Wed Jul 19 2006, 13:00

Ginny is too perfect. Shes pretty popular, good at sports and she got the guy? Thats not fair! I guess im kind of jealous about it, cause she really happens to be everything im not, and that makes me mad. I don't like people who are perfect like her.........

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 20 2006, 13:04

Ginny isn't perfect. She is pretty, yes, she is popular because she is nice, yes, she is good at sports, yes, and yes, she also got the guy.

1. Is it really her fault she's so pretty?
2. She's popular because she is nice, but she also has a temper. She puts her brothers in their place, flings dungbombs at a door when her mother won't let her in, and cries when she can't get on the Hogwarts Express.
3.She is good at Quidditch not because she's naturally amazing. She had to train herself by breaking into the broom shed and taking out one of the brooms and practicing by herself when her brothers wouldn't train her.
4. Okay, yes, she got Harry, but she didn't get him immediately. But she never gave up on him! NEVER.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 20 2006, 14:26

Ginny, you just proved my point in every way and added that she still stays popular and she can stick up for herself AND she got the guy she crushed on.........

Great, that makes it not better. Cause that adds to the list of ways shes Mary-Sue like and all the things i'll never be....

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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Thu Jul 20 2006, 15:18

Wow, Mary Sue plays pranks on people? Cool, she's not that bad then ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Ginny?   Fri Jul 21 2006, 17:29

I LOVE GINNY!
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